The History of 2887….!!

A short time ago we asked if anyone knew the history of FF2887.  This has come in from Glyn Morgan….

Thanks for this post. Interestingly enough I received a message from one of the Australian FF team members this morning about your post. He’d noticed it and touched base as he used to crew for me in FF2887 many years ago. I sail in 3953 nowadays but can give you the full history and also have a number of photos to send to you if you are interested.

In 1990 myself and a friend decided to build a fifteen. We found a hull (2887) that had been half built by two brothers in Kent, had sat in a dry barn for 10 years but had never been finished. We bought the hull in the winter of 1990/1991 and spent six months building it with a view to sailing it at Bewl. I called it The Welshman

This duly happened and I raced it pretty successfully for a number of years. It won a heap of trophies and I did a number of open meetings, Falmouth week etc in her. At that point I was keen to take it to a Worlds but a friend of mine, Tony Lee who at that time was the chief measurer for the class (and measured it for me) advised that as it had never been registered when new, whist it could enter any event up to and including Europeans it would not be eligible to enter a World Championships as a silver or classic. I therefore took the decision to sell it. 

It was sold to the burser of a school in Kent who didn’t do anything with it for some years. However it suddenly appeared again in the mid 2000’s having been bought by Doug (Spike) Milligan. He and his wife Glennis sailed it at Bewl as an introduction to flying fifteens and once they knew they enjoyed the fleet they sold it on to buy a newer model When they bought it they renamed it Another Celt (I think).

Unfortunately at this point I have no knowledge of where it ended up but hopefully this will give you a better understanding of it’s earlier years. It was a good boat, quick but a bit overweight at the front end. This meant that in a blow it tended to be front heavy when it got water in but in the light it kept it’s momentum very well, particularly on inland waters. Unfortunately for me to have taken the weight out would have cost a lot of money and time that wasn’t really worth it so happily sailed her being heavier than some of my competitors

I have a number of photos of it being built and it sailing if you are interested. Just let me know your contact detail and i’ll send them over to you

Good luck with it, it’s pleasing to know she’s still in existence! Where is she now?

Best regards

Glyn Morgan

In-House Sail Certification – FF’s Led the Way….!!

So we think that in house sail measuring is a new thing – well think again; whilst perusing the early records of the class (for an old ff owner) I came across the following in the earliest year book I have, 1955.  Hence the use of the word perusing, as I would think that when one looks at records from this era perusing is the only word that can rightfully be used.

Anyhow back to the rules, the chosen sail maker was asked to complete an “undertaking” upon which he was asked to complete the serial numbers of the sails and stamp the sails with the said serial number, and sign the declaration that  sails conformed to the rules of the flying fifteen class.

This form then had to be sent together with the certificate of registration to the Hon Sec of the class  Frances Snary Esq (then at  180 Upper Richmond Road, Putney, now a building called Cambridge House according to street view)  for the appropriate endorsement to be added to the registration certificate.

So new idea ISAF?!?!   Well think again – the boys at the FF association were doing this in 1955!

Keith Jamieson

Provenance of FF244…..!!

Recently, Sheila Manns in New Zealand was interested to establish the history of FF244. In leaps Adrian Simpson, who knows just about everything about FF History…..

The Flying Fifteen officially became international in 1976/7.  Prior to that it had been a British national class (which had a following overseas), to the British association (the National Flying Fifteen Owners’ Association – NFFOA) had the role that is now shared between Flying Fifteen International (FFI) and the British Isles Flying Fifteen Association (BIFFA).  The RYA similarly had the role that is now shared between the RYA and ISaF.

This matters, because up until the time that the class became international, the NFFOA yearbook detailed all known Fifteens, rather than those belonging to members living in the British Isles.  So I have some details relating to your boat. For history post the split, you’ll have to talk to the New Zealand association, who may still have records. Over the years I seem to have acquired British year books cover most years back to 1956.

So, the first entry I have is in the 1958/9 year book.

244 and 245 are nameless, but are listed as “C/O Hon. Sec. Onerahi Y.C. (Inc.), Beach Road, Onerahi, New Zealand”

The same entry appears for both until the 1966 book.  This may be relevant to your original question regarding the measurement date. Onerahi is near Whangarei, north of Auckland on the east coast.

In the 1965 book, we have :

An owner in Fitzroy, New Plymouth NZ.

With a “Usual Station” (club as we would list it now) of “West Coast”. Incidentally 245 is now shown as being in Auckland.

In the 1969 year book, there is a change.  We seem to have the same owner, but the address is now “C/O Edridge Advertising Co. Hamilton, NZ” and the usual station is Auckland.

1970 sees a change of ownership.  We now have :

“An owner in Timaru, NZ”, but the boat is still stationed at Auckland (unlikely I would have thought).

1976 sees another change in ownership :

“An owner in Christchurch, NZ”, stationed at Napier.

And that is as far as the trail can go.


Fleet Turnout Trends…. A Tom Waples View…..!!

I am personally committed to publishing our news for a while in parallel on both the new BIFFA website and the FF Blog. I must apologise now for not doing so on this article from Tom Waples, as I have not yet learned how to handle photos and downloads properly on the BIFFA site – and our Webmaster, who knows everything, is away skiing.  So on this occasion, I publish it on the blog only.

Unusually the attachment is a spreadsheet download, and wont pop up on the blog screen as it does normally. If you click on it, probably it will arrive into your downloads folder or somewhere like that…..

Attached is a document (click here to download) I have produced. It contains most of the results I can access from the past 3-5 years. A few clubs have results dating back further.

What I can infer is that for non-qualifying events a reasonable number of visitors is anywhere between 5-10, typically 30-40% of the fleet. Fleet sizes tend to be the wrong size of 20 at non-qualifiers.

It must be noted that qualifying events are distorted by the fact that frequently the events, especially the Nationals are not at clubs with large fleets, like Largs and Weymouth this year. Percentage of visitors is normally well above 70%, considerably above that of the non-qualifying percentage, perhaps unsurprising.

2010 and 2011 were anomolous years, the former being well represented in order to qualify and the event in order to prepare for the Worlds. I thought the overall data for 2012 was poor, relative to previous years.

It is also intriguing to note the total number of helms participating on the circuit throughout the year, potentially suggests something about the fleet activity levels. Maybe further research into the number of people sailing at say a minimum of 4/5 events (discounting their home event) would highlight something different.

I would be interested to hear your thoughts. Any recommendations for further analysis/ manipulation as well I would be keen to hear.